This is from Pyromaniacs.
It is excerpted from a longer message.
We can forgive them calling this a ‘pulpit highlight’.
Phil Johnson doesn’t beat around the bush.

I didn’t take offence at the comment about comfortable seats.

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For those of you who don’t know the phrase ‘Brothers, we are not figure-skaters is a homage to John Piper’s book ‘Brothers We Are Not Professionals’.

6 thoughts on “Brothers, We Are Not Figure-Skaters

  1. Rob D's avatar Rob D says:

    Hmmm, I am preaching on 1 Cor 11:2-16 next Sunday. Might have to mention “Gary Ware made me do it” in the introduction!

  2. Matt's avatar Matt says:

    That’s very bold and admirable to tackle such issues. I guess it is certainly necessary!!

    1. Gary Ware's avatar gjware says:

      If you read the pyromaniac blog you’ll see that grab is pretty indicative of what they’re on about.
      Most of the time in a pretty constructive way.
      Phil Johnson does a lot of work with John MacArthur.

  3. al bain's avatar al bain says:

    I’ll be a lone voice here perhaps.

    But I don’t like the pyromaniacs stuff at all. You say, Gary, that they are constructive “most of the time.” Maybe I’ve gone over there and looked at times when Phil has been suffering from stomach ulcers or something because too much of his stuff has been personal attack.

    And even though he’s taken Mark Driscoll to task on a few occasions, to speak of “pastel tones” is to use language straight out of the MD Thesaurus. “Sissified” sounds just another way of saying “chickified” which is Driscoll’s favourite word.

    And while I’m at it, what’s with posting part of your sermon on a blog like this? What does he do? Go back over the tape and put up the funny bits?

    I am hoping that he does spend time dealing with people’s emotional encripplement and doesn’t just make fun of them. I for one would like to sit in church on Sunday morning and know that I wasn’t going to be made a straw man and then have people laugh at me.

    1. Gary Ware's avatar gjware says:

      Using the phrase ‘most of the time’ pretty much gives up the game and deserves to be called out, I suppose.
      I give these guys and Driscoll some latitude because my understanding is that they’re involved in works that are producing fruit and have been for some time.
      I think that fruit points to a constructive work.
      The extremely emphatic brush strokes they use help encourage others to make far more modest steps in the same direction. I treat it as small ‘p’ prophetic. It’s a call, not a road-map. The ‘priestly’ provides the detail.
      Maybe we need to exchange some thoughts on what constitutes personal attack.
      We don’t subsitute an attack of a person for a critical or negative evaluation of their ideas. But naming a person who teaches or perpetuates a bad idea is another thing altogether, isn’t it?
      I think they intend to do the former and not the latter, but can trip over that line.

  4. Alistair Bain's avatar Alistair Bain says:

    But naming a person who teaches or perpetuates a bad idea is another thing altogether, isn’t it? Yes. But with humility.

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